We need the death penalty. Anyone that harms or kills a child does not deserve to live. This is a very sad story but what is worse is it happens more than we know. Since this topic may become a debate regarding whether or not we should have the death penalty, I am posting this thread here just to get that started if anyone cares to debate the issue. And it is perfectly OK to debate this. Sadly Kelsey is not the only child to be harmed or killed and she won't be the last. I cannot find any value in keeping someone on this Earth after they do something like this.

The Kelsey Briggs Story
Note: This is a very sad and emotional story about a child that is abused and later dies. I wanted to mention this in case some would prefer not to view this video.

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oh yay I am so in tears here. Especially when Nichole walks in and says "she's pretty"
What a stupid stupid society we live in. Makes me wonder too if daddy wasn't in Iraq if it wouldn't have happened. oh too much.

as far as the death penalty I am so torn on that. While I think 30 years is not enough and I am all for torture and harsher conditions in prison. Please they have more privalleges then I do! I am not sure of death penalty. My heart say they deserve death but then the other part of me thinks they are too good for death. Death releases them and I am not sure what God would want us to do. Maybe he wants us to get rid of monsters like this to send them back to He)) I don't know.

I heard about this on fb the other day, and can't bring myself to watch it. I am so with kaytee on the death penalty issue though-completely torn. At least that baby girl is safe where she is now.

what is the worst of that video is that she looks so happy. there are pics of her little face bruised and yet she smiles! Broken legs and smiles. Its amazing and I know its God in those babies that keeps them smiling when they are going through hell

I can't watch the video. Just knowing what is in there makes me cry. I fully support the death penalty. I think it should be harsher in fact. Knowing someone could take my child and brutalize her and take her away from me forever and then get to live...

Even if they do get the death penalty it is much more humane than how they took their victims life.

as far as the death penalty I am so torn on that. While I think 30 years is not enough and I am all for torture and harsher conditions in prison. Please they have more privalleges then I do! I am not sure of death penalty. My heart say they deserve death but then the other part of me thinks they are too good for death. Death releases them and I am not sure what God would want us to do. Maybe he wants us to get rid of monsters like this to send them back to He)) I don't know. This would be the only reason I could convince myself to not have the death penalty. Having them live in prison for the rest of their lives and having very bad things done to them by other inmates who absolutely hate child predators is one positive. But, our justice system has failed the victims so many times. I wonder how often someone is sentenced to life and then after 30-40 years they are set free because of overcrowding or because they changed their life around and they are a good citizen. It is rediculous to think that they could walk if all the conditions are just right. And yet the victim is either dead or has a nightmare to live with for the rest of their life, which would get worse if they know their predator is free and out on the streets. I still do not think they deserve to live. No chance for any judge to overturn their conviction or a prison system to be overcrowded if they are already dead.


Even if they do get the death penalty it is much more humane than how they took their victims life. I have also thought about this and considered that the predators should suffer much worse then they do when put to death. Having alcohol rubbed on their arm and a needled poked in their skin is not acceptable. I think my views are a bit more extreme than most but I would want to see them tortured and I know that is not a very Christian thing to say considering I am religious. I just hope God understands my passion for making these creeps suffer.

Living in texas right now we here nothing but this guy and that guy who are being set free after years to a deacade i nprison, due to DNA evidence! Very scary how many innocent are in prison as well.

I have also thought about this and considered that the predators should suffer much worse then they do when put to death. Having alcohol rubbed on their arm and a needled poked in their skin is not acceptable. I think my views are a bit more extreme than most but I would want to see them tortured and I know that is not a very Christian thing to say considering I am religious. I just hope God understands my passion for making these creeps suffer.

You and I are very much on the same wavelength. It is hard for me to reconcile my harsh views with my love of God and his creations. I pray He will forgive my thoughts.

oh yay I am so in tears here. Especially when Nichole walks in and says "she's pretty"
What a stupid stupid society we live in. Makes me wonder too if daddy wasn't in Iraq if it wouldn't have happened. oh too much.

as far as the death penalty I am so torn on that. While I think 30 years is not enough and I am all for torture and harsher conditions in prison. Please they have more privalleges then I do! I am not sure of death penalty. My heart say they deserve death but then the other part of me thinks they are too good for death. Death releases them and I am not sure what God would want us to do. Maybe he wants us to get rid of monsters like this to send them back to He)) I don't know.

I'm with you here Kaytee. I'm just not sure how I feel

the moment that song started i started to cry and its hard to type this bc my eyes are filled with tears.

I cannot believe that women who are in abusive relationships let their abusive partners hurt their children. I i would be gone so fast.....love does not include abuse.

I'm not sure about the death penalty either. Purpose of death penalty is to get convictions and detailed information about crimes that would be practically impossible to get other wises. And with the DNA tests in recent years more and more imprisoned people have been prove innocent of crimes they did not commit, often after spending 20-30 years in jail. Death can not be reversed.

Crimes against children are extremely difficult to understand. Chronic abuse is even even harder and generally what gets me really upset. The danger with having a death mentality applied to crimes that are abuse related or result in death of children is that good parents do on rare occasions loose their cool "Big time" and a child is serious injured or killed, but not as a result of parent intent end a child life. Personally, I think it should be against to law to hit children period. There is always a better way, but often hitting a child is a quick\easier way to control a situation and get a point across.

Overall I understand how you feel about this Mark.

the moment that song started i started to cry and its hard to type this bc my eyes are filled with tears.

I cannot believe that women who are in abusive relationships let their abusive partners hurt their children. I i would be gone so fast.....love does not include abuse.

Right on! It is hard to walk away- I've been there- but I would never let him put a hand on my child and the second he put one on me I was out.

not that I was ever hit personally, but I could see possibly staying if something like that happened. On a small note (not that it is acceptable) but I could see trying to work through issues if it was a one time thing that did not involve bruising or worse..... BUT one hand on my child and he better hold his nuts or I'm taking them with as I leave the hosue!

I could see possibly staying if something like that happened. On a small note (not that it is acceptable) but I could see trying to work through issues if it was a one time thing that did not involve bruising or worse.....

The problem with that kaytee.....99% of the time its never a one time thing.....and it should NEVER BE a one time thing either. So help me if DH laid a hand on me i would be gone. GONE.....in my view, he just lost 7 years of HIS life if he chose to hit me

lol I know what you mean. And God forbid it actually ever happen. You just never know what one will do in those situations. I hope to never find out personally!

This is our greatest fear. We have had the system fail us so many times and its obvious that the system failed that little girl. I cant imagine the guilt her father may feel. The shoulda/woulda/coulda is devestating. If he hadnt been fighting for our country he could have been fighting to save his daughters life. I pray everyday that DD is safe. As far as the dealth penalty goes... I'd like to see crimes against children be played out like this. Prisoner must wear the words child predator on the front and back of his prison uniform and be in the general population of the prison. In this situation we wouldnt need a dealth penalty.

Nothing is worse than God's punishment and because of that, I don't advocate for the death penalty.

This is our greatest fear. We have had the system fail us so many times and its obvious that the system failed that little girl. I cant imagine the guilt her father may feel. The shoulda/woulda/coulda is devestating. If he hadnt been fighting for our country he could have been fighting to save his daughters life. I pray everyday that DD is safe. As far as the dealth penalty goes... I'd like to see crimes against children be played out like this. Prisoner must wear the words child predator on the front and back of his prison uniform and be in the general population of the prison. In this situation we wouldnt need a dealth penalty.
its kinda funny how much prison people just "love" those child prdators. I like your idea too

Nothing is worse than God's punishment and because of that, I don't advocate for the death penalty. For this reason I would have to agree. God can handle this type of issue much better than I ever could and I know that justice may not fully be handed out here in this life but it does happen eventually. :)

A few years ago I watched a documentary on how a woman almost died from gun shots wound at the hands of stranger, and 10 years later she testified for his release at his parole hearing.It was very moving to see that she had forgiven him. She went on to say it had transformed her life for the better and she had no regrets for what God had given her through the power of forgiveness. Her life was a mess prior the tragic events and what happened helped her in ways that she couldn't have done on her own.

Recently a man was released from prison after 25 years based on DNA evidence and a confession of that actual man who had committed the crime(rape, attempted murder). The woman involved had campaigned for 25 years to have a innocent man be put to death. When she found out that he was the wrong man, she was horrified that she had spent 25 consumed with a single (horribly wrong) purpose. She admitted she prayed everyday that he would die a horrible death. For her, The news that the wrong man had been in jail all these years was far worse than the crime itself.... But this too has a happy ending, when she finally met the innocent man after his release, he forgave her and they bonded as close friends who now travel the US campaigning for reform in the justice system so that that innocent people less likely to be convicted.

What makes the last story even more intriguing, years before DNA testing, the actual criminal confessed to the crime, but she looked at him in a line up and she continued to have no doubt that the right man had been convicted. This psychological effect has been proven a scary fact of life, if you are told that something is true, you will continue to believe it is true despite overwhelming facts that prove otherwise.

I can believe these type of outcomes happens more often than not. People have this amazing ability to forgive even when the situations do not seem to warrant it.

Unrelated but similar to the issue of being thankful that something negative happened, that is exactly how I feel with my near death experience from last summer. My wife does not like me to say this but I am thankful that I went through that experience and that I had Lemierre's Syndrome. Now this does not mean I would want it again, however, if I did not have that condition, I may not have slowed down and appreciated life like the way I do now. I may not have witnessed the outpouring of support, prayers, and well wishes that my entire family received. The point is, even though something so terrible happened, I am thankful for it as it taught me so much more than I could have ever learned or witnessed on my own. So I can completely understand a victim forgiving their attacker even though the circumstances around the attack were horrifying.